Check your inbox for your latest news from us. by Kamiccolo9 Tue Dec 16, 2014 1:25 am, Post The original split they both ended up sharing half of their power. 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They are also the Namekians who can create and/or manipulate the dragon balls. For example, Original Piccolo-kami was close to Nail IMO, If saiyan saga piccolo merged with kami, he'll be around ginyu IMO, If namek arc piccolo merges with kami instead of nail, he'll be slightly weaker than 2nd form freeza IMO. He definitely didn't say anything like "astonishing" or "unbelievable" and he even remarks that Piccolo might have been able to beat Frieza if he was fused with Kami. In Dragon Ball Z: Sagas, in the mission "Piccolo's Fusion", after fusing with Kami, Piccolo then engages in battle with Android 17. The Nameless Namekian was much stronger than that. Though Goku and company managed to find the Black Star Dragon Balls, they did not bring them back to their original spot, leading to the Earth's destruction. Another special ability that all Namekians boast of is that they can sense someones power level without using a device like a scouter, which is typically used by Saiyans. However, certain exceptions have significantly higher power levels. More: Why Dr. Slump Deserves as Much Recognition as Dragon Ball. Super Namek Neo Piccolo in the Dragon Ball Evolution video game. For example, the Nameless Namek used it to split into King Piccolo and Kami. The only real criteria for him is being abnormally strong for a Dragon . King Piccolo, for example, was capable of mutating his children, which led him to spawn numerous demonic Namekians. TheNameless Namekian, later referred to asPiccolo(or mistakenly "Kamiccolo") is aNamekian, and the son ofKatas. Anyone using the information provided by Kidadl does so at their own risk and we can not accept liability if things go wrong. The elders skins are dark-green, and their pink patches are less prominent than those on the bodies of younger Namekians. After looking at all this info, it makes me wonder if the ancient Namekians were stronger than the modern ones. If you purchase using the buy now button we may earn a small commission. If you liked our suggestions for Namekian names, then why not take a look at anime girl names, or for something different, take a look at gender neutral Japanese names. So you have Super Saiyan Trunks, at the time, in the low millions (not even tens or hundreds of millions), showing that Super Saiyan doesn't automatically mean being around the hundred million mark. Originally, Shenron could grant only one wish at a time. The first heroic Super Namekian to appear was the Nameless Namekian. Think of it like this. by Hitiro Tue Dec 16, 2014 1:24 am, Post The dragon balls on Earth were first created by Kami and later altered by Dende, a 'Dragon Ball Z' Namekian. What isn't filler is Grand Elder Guru saying point blank that only a super sayan would even have a chance at defeating the Nameless Namekian in the Manga. Covering the hottest movie and TV topics that fans want. However these drawback are offset by not only the power they gain, but knowledge they acquire as a result of the fusion, as the resulting Super Namekian gains the knowledge of any fusee, from fighting techniques to tactics. The Nameless Namekian is the only Namekian in the entire series shown to perform this, but there are two different and conflicting versions of the event. "Assimilation") or Douka ( Dka [7]) is the first form of fusion that appears in the series and it is a technique unique to the Namekians . Contents 1 Overview 2 Usage and Power 3 Known users 4 Video Game Appearances 5 Gallery 6 References 7 Site Navigation Overview Piccolo about to fuse with Nail Second, though Kami and King Piccolo were separate, they were spiritually linked; if one died, the other dies as well. Nail just said he was impressed with Piccolo's power. by Pantalones Tue Dec 16, 2014 3:51 pm, Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 22 guests. However, after Dendes alterations, Sheron could grant two wishes. It is revealed in Dragon Ball GT that the Nameless Namekian was powerful enough to create the Eternal Dragon Ultimate Shenron, who possessed power even greater than the likes of Super Baby Vegeta 2. Nail is definitely stronger than kami but kami is the other half of piccolo. Answer (1 of 12): Immediately off the bat , this means no Dragonballs and no King Piccolo. It was believed by the rest of the Namekians in the Frieza Saga that the Nameless Namek could have easily . Namekians are broadly divided into the Dragon Clan and the Warriors. Piccolo takes his status as a Super Namekian one step further in Dragon Ball Z: Supersonic Warriors when he fuses with King Piccolo. While this would seem tempting, this would potentially allow evil back into his heart resulting in unknown consequences. Guru said that he doubted that a regular saiyan can easily kill him, & asked if it was a super saiyan. There's one more bit of evidence to that actually. Additionally, the Namekian Future Warrior can become a Great Namekian after learning how to access the form through training with Piccolo and Nail in the Guru's House time rift anomaly. Nail + Picollo + Kami fought the Androids. The Nameless Namekian, later referred to as Piccolo (or mistakenly "Kamiccolo") is a Namekian, and the son of Katas. It is common knowledge that the Namekians back then were a people that got killed off in the storm. The Black Star Dragon Balls were kept hidden inKami's Lookoutto keep them from being used as the side effect of using them was a threat to the Earth. A one-stop shop for all things video games. Piccolo was already far beyond any believable power. The resulting appearance and dominant personality is determined by a mutual pact. As for why Slug is so strong as a giant when Piccolo wasen't I would say it's because he's Super Namekian, a mutant and might have trained to get used to the form or used it so much that it had the same effect.y Kami (originally the Nameless Namekian, Guardian of Earth until fused with Piccolo to fight Cell) Katas (father of the Nameless . by Herms Tue Dec 16, 2014 2:47 am, Post They're two halves. However, there was once a Namekian so powerful it was said that he would have been powerful enough to not only defeat Frieza but was even stronger than Super Buu. Kidadl has a number of affiliate partners that we work with including Amazon. The Nameless Namekian was a Super Namekian until his Fission, after Piccolo fused with Kami, they became a Super Namekian once more. That isn't a minor boost. Fission and fusion are also two commonly used abilities by Namekians. Discussion, generally of an in-universe nature, regarding any aspect of the franchise (including movies, spin-offs, etc.) Then again, we really don't know how strong he was at the time of his seperation. Debut While he was rarely ever seen on screen outside of small flashbacks, the Nameless Namekian is a character that has deeply shaped the world of Dragon Ball behind the scenes. "Look, you know what a Super Saiyan is. Piccolo, the reincarnation of King Piccolo, who was initially an anti-hero but went on to become one of the most important characters of the Dragon Ball series. He continues making cameo appearances in flashbacks throughout the Dragon Ball anime and manga, and reappears in the Dragon Ball Z episode "Plans for Departure", and continues to make brief cameo appearances until making his formal debut (in the form of Piccolo) in "The Reunion", the 141st episode of Dragon Ball Z, which premiered on May 27, 1992. The Nameless Namekian, . When his strength became somewhat obsolete due to theSuper Saiyans, his wisdom became one of his most valuable asset to the Z Fighters. It was during this time that he discovered the Namek spaceship in a plateau, which he used as a house while awaiting someone to come looking for him. He is talking about the being that Kami and King Piccollo came from. 14. Some of the hallmarks of a Namekians appearance include their green skin, pink patches, and antennae. That can't be. In Lord Slug, King Kai states that Super Namekians have abilities a hundredfold superior to that of regular Namekians. Such Namekians are rare and feature mutations that make them distinct from the average Namekian. by Hitiro Tue Dec 16, 2014 1:29 am, Post As he explored the world, his pure heart was partly tainted by all the violence and hate throughout the world. It is said by Guru that the Nameless Namekian's power splits in half upon going from a Super Namekian to a regular Namekian. Moderators: General Help, Kanzenshuu Staff, Post Like the Saiyan race that traveled far and wide through outer space, some Namekians made their way to Earth and wreaked havoc until Master Mutaito, along with his pupils, beat them back. @johncena69swag: It actually depends on the time frame. The evilness of the original nameless Namekian has been fully eliminated at this point. In addition to these 17 Namekians whove been shown in the series, there are also 104 unnamed Namekians, who are Gurus children. Even though most Nameks arent completely identical to their fathers, there may be certain similarities, as they have the power to dictate how their children will look and what traits they will have to some extent. Following this encounter, Piccolo rescues an unconscious Goten from a Baby-possessed Gohan and then attempts to fight him but was beaten with a single Kamehameha. Sopretty big then. The in-universe explanation is that because of the nameless Namekian splitting in two, the two halves were much weaker than just half the nameless one's power. In Dragon Ball Xenoverse 2, the Nameless Namekian's name is said to be Katas (, Katattsu) in a quiz, the same as his father. By the end of the original manga, Piccolo is by far the most powerful Namekian. Nameless Namekian is the unnamed Namekian son of Katas and was originally one being until he separated the evil out of his body, becoming Kami and removing Demon King Piccolo from his soul . There is no way Namek level Piccollo even with Nails is fighting that. To rid their world of the new villains, the Namekians used the Dragon Balls to summon Porunga in order to banish them. This article is about the original character. Since it appears that Namekians give a bit of their lifeforce to their children, which does seem like it would effect their potential power levels quite bit. In this form, he takes a silver electric aura. This would be quite the extreme power boost as it's hinted in Supersonic Warriors that this would have made Piccolo be as powerful as Super Buu. It is revealed that at some point before splitting into King Piccolo and Kami that the Nameless Namekian created a powerful set of Dragon Balls known as theBlack Star Dragon Balls. By doing so, he separated himself into Kami and King Piccolo and was able to defeat Garlic and become the new guardian. In terms of appearance and physical features, Namekian characters are very much like humanoids that have slug-like features. Piccolo would go on to participate in the Tournament of Power for the fate of his universe. In the anime, Super Namekians also exist in Universe 6 as Saonel and Pilina are Super Namekians and they acquired this power through Namekian Fusion with other Universe 6 Namekians which they state represents their will to survive. Meaning he had a power level of at least 150 million. It is revealed in the filmDragon Ball Z: Dead Zoneand later theGarlic Jr. SagaofDragon Ball ZthatGarlicwas the nameless Namekian's adversary with whom he competed for the position of Guardian of Earth. We try our very best, but cannot guarantee perfection. InDragon Ball Xenoverse, an alternate timeline is mentioned whereKing Piccolofuses withKamiand becomes the Nameless Namekian once more, though with the evil King Piccolo as the dominant personality. So while this is never explicitly mentioned in the anime, it's unlikely that he truly has the kind of power the original Nameless Namekian had, though he might come close, especially considering that he is also fused with Nail. The Nameless Namekian is supposed to be on par with the mythical super Saiyan (not Broly, the one Vegeta talks about in the Namek Saga). Besides Slug, Piccolo, and possibly the Future Warrior, Grand Elder Guru also implied that several Super Namekians had escaped the original Namek during its cataclysm, and that a few of them chose to embrace warfare and wickedness like Slug before settling on a "far flung planet.". It is later stated by Krillin in the Imperfect Cell Saga that after fusing with Kami, Piccolo's potential was even greater than an unmastered Super Saiyan. @apex_pretador: No. Nameless Namekian, Katas son who came to Earth and after splitting his soul, became Kami and King Piccolo. The spaceship landed on Earth in the frigid Yunzabit Heights, where the Nameless Namekian spent his life alone from youth through adolescence. His NAME is Picollo. He must be referring to pre-Androids saga SSJs right? Namekians have incredible regenerative powers as well, which allows them to heal themselves and regenerate their body parts almost as soon as they are damaged. More to the point, when they refuse, Kamiccolo is much stronger than Piccolo + Kami would have been. Manage all your favorite fandoms in one place! Piccolo retained his form as the reunified Nameless Namekian for the remainder of the Dragon Ball Z. Humorously, during the Majin Buu Saga, his Kami traits cause him to be horrified at Gotenks and Super Buu's destruction of the Lookout. Color discord.gg/dbz, Press J to jump to the feed. by Angelus Tue Dec 16, 2014 2:35 am, Post by Hitiro Tue Dec 16, 2014 1:13 am, Post After many years the disappointed Namekian eventually left Yunzabit Heights to explore the rest of Earth, but with false hope, would continue to return on occasion but never found anything out of the ordinary. However, the Nameless Namekiandid display increased intelligence, particularly on the battlefield, by thinking up strategies on the spot. Piccolo retained his form as the reunified Nameless Namekian for the Dragon Ball Super series. The captivating story of the dragon balls and adventures of hero Goku has enchanted millions worldwide. There is much debate over if Piccolo Jr. is now truly the Nameless Namekian after fusing with Kami. The Super Namekian state possess several drawbacks. But it would bee cool if Piccolo reached a level of a Super Saiyan God form so he can match Goku and Ve. This is piccolo fused with nail against the original being that split into kami and piccolo. The evil Nameless Namekian creates an army of super powerful Mutated Namekians in order to conquer Earth, resulting in a war against his army and the Red Ribbon Androids. Dende, another child from Mooris village who goes on to become the Guardian of Earth. As the nameless Namek grew up, he looked to the sky for an explanation of his origins. Warrior class Namekians mostly have power levels in the range of 3,000. The first is that Namekian Fusion is permanent and cannot be undone by the Namekian resulting from the fusion (without the aid of Forced Spirit Fission), thus a Super Namekian formed this way cannot defuse. Re: How powerful was the Nameless Namekian? Weve finally come to the section youve been waiting for, the complete list of Namekian names from the Dragon Ball series. Even if NN was 25,000 , hell 35000 , then even not scratching nail. There are subtle differences between how younger Namekians and older Namekians look. The Nameless Namekian was confirmed to be SSJ1 level. The thread title says "nameless namekian" bro. In the official novelization of the game, which is only loosely based on its plot, The Nameless One was a human being who made a pact with the Baatezu Fhjull Forked-Tonguean NPC met late in the gameoffering his service as a soldier in the Blood War in exchange for his town being spared. The major of information on Katas comes from small flashbacks in the Dragon Ball anime. The Nameless Namekian was portrayed as consciously expelling a black ghost-like apparition (presumed to be King Piccolo). When Piccolo returned to Namek and found Nail. Base formTransformation (video game only). ProLight Style by Ian Bradley. King Piccolo was actually originally "the nameless Namekian," a Namekian who travelled to Earth and aimed to be its guardian. In the series, they are shown to create items of clothing spontaneously, and perhaps its this ability of object creation that led them to create the dragon balls in the first place. A battle suit said to have been worn by Katas, a brilliant Namekian of the past. 10. As the Nameless Namekian grew up, he looked to the sky for an explanation of his origins. Unlike Piccolo they fused with countless Namekians in quick succession, this grants them greater power though it also takes more time for their Super Namekian power to stabilize, though once it did Saonel and Pilina proved to be a match for Ultimate Gohan and even improved their regeneration to the point that it allowed Saonel to survive and near instantly fully heal from being caught an energy clash between Ultimate Gohan and Pilina, though they where both still susceptible to Piccolo's Special Beam Cannon which injured them to the point that Ultimate Gohan was able to knock them off the stage with a Kamehameha, though they where not killed by either attack. Kamiccolo, thats what Goku named the fusion of Piccolo and Kami. Shortly before battling with Frieza onNamek, Piccolo fused bodies with a near-dead Namekian known as Nail who cryptically referenced the Nameless Namekian by noting that if Piccolo had come in his "original form" he would have been much stronger and could have defeated Frieza (at least in his first form). He continues making cameo appearances in flashbacks throughout theDragon Ballanime andmanga, and reappears in theDragon Ball Zepisode "Plans for Departure", and continues to make brief cameo appearances until making his formal debut (in the form ofPiccolo) in "The Reunion", the 141st episode ofDragon Ball Z, which premiered on May 27, 1992. He makes his debut in a flashback during "Earth's Guardian Emerges", the 125th episode of the Dragon Ball anime, which premiered on August 31, 1988. Lord Slug was able to go toe to toe with Goku until he became a false SSJ. Meaning he had a power level of at least 150 million. This is also not unlike Buu, who expelled his evilness, and it became Grey Buu, and then eventually went through Super Buu and Kid Buu and Kid Buu died and reincarnated. The Nameless Namekian also appeared to have a fondness for the planet Earth which was likely strengthened by Kami's role as its guardian and Piccolo having been born there. The Nameless Namekian was confirmed to be SSJ1 level. Kami, the original Guardian of Earth who came to the planet as a part of the Nameless Nameks soul. If Guru just wasn't that strong to begin with, then his children wouldn't be either, though it does seem like a few of them are able to surpass him. Namekian Fusion ( Yg [1], lit. by SSJ2FutureGohan Tue Dec 16, 2014 1:02 am, Post To survive, his father launched him into outer space in a spaceship which requires at least a basic knowledge of the ancient Namekian language to pilot. Plus Guru even said it that if Piccolo and Kami were to fuse, that they would be able to destroy Frieza. However, when he separated, their power levels plummeted into the mere hundreds. However Emperor Pilaf discovered the existence of the Black Star Dragon Balls and intended to use them to rule the world, though Goku's interference resulted in the latter being turned into a child and the Black Star Dragon Balls spread across the galaxy. The Namekians happen to be among the most popular characters in the series. In Dragon Ball Z: Kakarot, Piccolo's fusion with Nail is treated as a EXP boost while his fusion with Kami grants him a transformed state called True Namekian Fusion which represents the Super Namekian power of the Nameless Namekian. It is unknown what personality the Nameless Namekian had before he split into Kami and King Piccolo; however, when the two reunited, he is dominantly Piccolo. This is not android arc piccolo + Nail + Kami , this is pre split nameless namek. A few notable characters did make their way out, such as Kami and Lord Slug. He was originally one being until he separated the evil out of his body, becoming Kami and removing King Piccolo from his soul. He makes his debut in a flashback during "Earth's Guardian Emerges", the 125th episode of theDragon Ballanime, which premiered on August 31, 1988. Piccolo proved to be more than a match for Frost who ended up cheating to beat Piccolo. Even though Goku is the main protagonist of the Dragon Ball series, it can be said that without the Namekians, the series wouldnt have existed. The only other one known to exist was the Nameless Namekian, before his fission. When he competed with Garlic Junior for the Earth Guardian position, he was forced to purge the evil from himself to do so. I meant the same thing, & by pre split kami, I meant the namekian who split out evil to become kami. or & In Dragon Ball Xenoverse 2, Lord Slug and Piccolo both appear as playable characters. No longer am I Kami or Piccolo. Additionally, the Namekian Future Warrior can be classified as a Super Namekian capable of taking on the likes of Lord Slug, Turles, Broly, Janemba, Meta-Cooler, Golden Frieza, and Mira in their Supervillain forms as well as defeating Mira in his final form with the assistance of Goku. The Demon Clan Namekians possess much more strength than both the warrior class and Dragon Clan Namekians, owing to their huge sizes. When Piccolo powers up he transforms into a Super Namek, shortened as SN. While using his Super Namekian power against Android 17, Piccolo gains a large blue and white aura. After many years the disappointed Namekian eventually left Yunzabit Heights to explore the rest of Earth, but with false hope, would continue to return on occasion but never found anything out of the ordinary. It was believed by the rest of the Namekians in the Frieza Saga that the Nameless Namekian could have easily defeated Frieza who had a maximum power of 530,000 in his first form and 120,000,000 at 100% of his full power. This set of Dragon Balls was rendered inert by his split into Kami and King Piccolo, however they were restored when Piccolo fused with Kami and become the Nameless Namekian once more. Merging with Kami in the Android arc doubled Piccolo's strength. The Guardians' main role is . However, this fission had two significant drawbacks. To survive, his father launched him into outer space ina spaceshipwhich requires at least a basic knowledge of the ancientNamekian languageto pilot. First, their Power Levels took a huge plummet. . For example, Vegetas request for a dragon ball was denied by Tsuno after the formers evil intentions were understood by the latter. As an Amazon Associate, Kidadl earns from qualifying purchases. Nameless Namekian is the unnamed Namekian son of Katas and was originally one being until he separated the evil out of his body, becoming Kami and removing King Piccolo from his soul . by Kamiccolo9 Tue Dec 16, 2014 1:13 am, Post Tambourine, another of King Piccolos sons, had a gargoyle-like appearance. We will always aim to give you accurate information at the date of publication - however, information does change, so its important you do your own research, double-check and make the decision that is right for your family. His name was revealed in Dragon Ball Xenoverse 2 to be Katas in a quiz, which is the same name as his father. Users The fusion allowed him the ability to fight with second form Frieza, however Vegeta's zenkai then enabled him to fight with 3rd form Frieza. 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