The boy was made lower his trousers, but kept is underpants on, he was made to bend over a chair. He was sentenced at Portsmouth Crown Court. Heard so much about HMS Ganges though and it sounded very good for developing 'real sailors ' but as much as I hate to admit it I suspect it would have been too much for me . A historic Grade II listed former Royal Navy training mast has been taken down ahead of restoration work. As a subscriber, you are shown 80% less display advertising when reading our articles. [1] Read about our approach to external linking. Find out more about HMS Ganges at www.hmsgangesmuseum.com, or visit the museum, located at the end of King Edward VII Drive, in Shotley, IP9 1QJ. 1959 and what a bugger Ganges turned out to be. Dec 30, 2016. HMS Ganges as a training ship in the 1900s, HMS Ganges being broken up after training was transferred to the land base at Shotley, The boys climbed the mast whenever the base received high-status visitors, and as part of their training, The sailors in training doing exercises outside the gym, The honours board from the HMS Ganges, showing the victories of all the Royal Navy ships bearing the name. Posted on February 5, 2019 by irishroverpei. They looked like what we didn't, sailors. ", The sailors in training doing exercises outside the gym (Image: HMS Ganges Museum). Peter Ohara. We had just finished PT before going to supper, so I was in shorts. While the training ship was originally based in Cornwall, she was moved to Harwich, and then Shotley in the 1890s, in order to be closer to a centre of population. The test consisted of two lengths of the pool while wearing a boiler suit, then floating for five minutes. All thanks to my Instructor CMEM LUCKENS . The noise was excruciating. Report . CMEM (M) Served from 1972 - 1987 Served in HMS Ganges. So as I have said already, we kept our heads down aiming for that final day when wed be drafted to a ship. Heard so much about HMS Ganges though and it sounded very good for developing 'real sailors ' but as much as I hate to admit it I suspect it would have been too much for me . After sewing on a tag and sporting a proud smile as I offered it up for inspection to that gorilla-of-gunner, I was sent scurrying away, ears ringing from slaps and vehement words, asking myself, 'How the hell did I mange to sew the tag on upside-down?'. The site was closed in 1976 and was used as a maaried quarter estate by the RAF. Im quite sure few if any boys receiving cuts ever thought to run away again. For spite I think, because it wasn't compulsory. A planning application for the site was submitted and outline permission was granted in 2015. Helpful. First Royal Navy ship to visit Eire, post independence? Mr Jones also offered reassurance around the historic mast, despite fears about its dilapidated state. contact the editor here. We can reunite you with your friends who served at HMS Ganges and we have a wealth of information on different units, bases and ships in the site. The BBC is not responsible for the content of external sites. Speaking about the current state of the site, Mr Jones said: "All of the messes have been demolished, as have the laundry and the generators. MT2 Served from 1965 - 2021 Served in HMS Ganges. Did my intro to Pusser at HMS Raleigh in ' 52 . Recruits used to climb the 143ft (44m)-high mast in formation, with the "button boy" standing on a small, circular platform at the very top, hands-free, but with his legs resting against a metal supporting bar. "Boys came into Ganges at age 15 and went into the navy as men at 16. One person found this helpful. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. She had taken on the previous duties from the wooden ship H.M.S. Among his many punishments, he suffered cuts, a particularly brutal form of Naval punishment. Ganges Tales of the T.R.O.G.s Paperback - 22 Nov. 1995 by John Douglas (Author), John Wheatley (Illustrator) 6 ratings Paperback 12.00 8 Used from 8.90 H.M.S. Picture: CLAGUE ARCHITECTS, The Duke of Edinburgh visiting HMS Ganges in June 1973 Picture: ARCHANT. These adverts enable local businesses to get in front of their target audience the local community. HMS Ganges moved moorings from Harwich to Shotley. I had already taught myself to swim. the top rung of a six foot ladder is about my limit! A history of the Royal Navy Training Establishment HMS Ganges. HMS Ganges was also known as Shotley Training Establishment . John Garrett. It would not be an exaggeration to say not one of us had the slightest idea of what lay in store for the next year. Read about our approach to external linking. They faced what was without doubt the most severe punishment, cuts. The lower portion of the mast is steel, extending 18 feet (5.5 m) below ground and 30 feet (9.1 m) above ground. We caught up with Jim Dines, Director of TS Rigging, whose team. We were ushered in as a group of naked boys and told to wash thoroughly. Editors' Code of Practice. The previous evening I'd arrived at HMS Ganges training annexe, with an assortment of other would-be-sailors, and was placed in the capable hands of a spotty-faced junior instructor and a bullet-proof gunnery instructor who wore crossed guns on both lapels. Aerial artist's impression of one of the green spaces earmarked for the former HMS. Crowned on June 2, 1953, at the age of 25, Elizabeth II went on to have the longest reign for a British queen. Yes indeed, they were the best of times and the worst of times. "In 1860 she was decommissioned and laid up, and in 1866 she was turned into a training ship, and her guns were removed. HMS Ganges closed on June 6. It had to be a joke! Through the year the training was intense, probably a good thing, it gave us little time to regret joining the navy. HMS Ganges was a "stone frigate" or land-based institution for the Royal Navy, and between 1905 and 1976 was one of the key training bases used to prepare sailors to defend Great Britain. HMS Ganges was the name given to several Royal Navy ships since from 1779, but in 1905 it was chosen as title for a new training base at Shotley Gate, near Ipswich where about 500 boy recruits. Mr Youngman, who joined the navy aged 15 in 1965, said he had previously climbed up to the top of the mast but "couldn't wait to get back down". Picture: CLAGUE ARCHITECTS, Independent Babergh District councillor for Ganges, Derek Davis. Shotly Jan 7 1967 , 4 weeks in the annex, 11months in the main establishment,left the RN after 26 years, as C.C.MEA(P) and you could tell Ganges trained men a mile off, Regrets not a bit.Sorry for the lad in my class that drank a pint of pussers disinfectant (The black stuff that turned white when you added water) I believe he got his Discharge. St George IOM Boys training 3/5/45 Christmas leave 45 took all kit and returned to Ipswich station, then by the ubiquitous 3 ton Bedford to Shotley where we reopened HMS Ganges as a boys establishment. The facility remained there until its closure in June 1976, It was easy to spot those who had been here the longest. HP10 9TY. She was based alternately in Falmouth, Harwich (from 1899) and Shotley (from 1905). I arrived at Ganges in the late afternoon on March 15th 1955, along with roughly a hundred other fifteen year old boys. The white letters would then be transformed, by our nimble fingers, into red with silk thread using the chain stitch. If not, you would do it repeatedly, until you dropped dead if necessary. I took a bowl and ate the lot. Reviewed in the United Kingdom on 16 June 2021 . HMS Ganges (1821) This page summarises records created by this Organisation The summary includes a brief description of the collection (s) (usually including the covering dates of the. Every letter, every strip of tape had to be in a perfect line. 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Jim Gitsham, chairman of the Shotley branch of the HMS Ganges Association, said: "Members will be delighted that he's going down. Artist's impression showing the view across a residential street at the redeveloped HMS Ganges site in Shotley Gate. Nevertheless, as bad and as cruel as I have describe Ganges, I remain proud to call myself a Ganges Boy. Please Login or Register. Newsquest Media Group Ltd, Loudwater Mill, Station Road, High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire. Observer career path/ real life experience. A Proceeds of Crime Act hearing is due to take place at Portsmouth Crown Court on 23 January. 11.00 to 17.00 Saturdays, Sundays and Bank Holidays between Easter and the end of October. The Admiralty decided that the shore base should bear the name of the original training ship, HMS Ganges. Welcome to our next documentary, investigating the decaying remains and iconic abandoned swimming pool of HMS Ganges Royal Naval training school, as well as . LRO (G) Served from 1975 - 1998 Served in HMS Ganges. It was hard, often . Mast erected using the foremast of HMS Cordelia, which was broken up 1904. The HMS Ganges site was initially opened in 1904 acted as a boys training facility for the Royal Navy. Data returned from the Piano 'meterActive/meterExpired' callback event. She was based alternately in Falmouth, Harwich and Shotley . Contents 1 Foundation and early history 1.1 Allegations of abuse 2 Ganges at Harwich 3 Ganges at Shotley 3.1 1906 changes 3.2 Later developments 3.3 First World War 3.4 Post war developments 3.5 Ganges in the Second World War 3.6 Postwar and closure 4 References 5 External links This site is part of Newsquest's audited local newspaper network. Former recruit John Youngman said it would be "nice to see it restored to its former glory". I knew only when it was over would I then be able to call myself a true Ganges Boy and, some years later, a real sailor. He had the misfortune to be placed under the care of two particularly brutal and drunken instructors whose continual bullying and abuse proved too much for this emerging free spirit . I heard many boys saying things like , dont bend over in front of the seamanship officer, or always face him dont turn around. Ganges Tales of the T.R.O.G.s Print length 264 pages Language English Publisher Second City Publishers, Penmarth, Cornwall Publication date 22 Nov. 1995 ISBN-10 090681605X ISBN-13 You are using an out of date browser. HMS Ganges is a little bit different though, because they have to get the spine road in first and do some prep work. Newsquest Media Group Ltd, Loudwater Mill, Station Road, High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire. If you cracked on and didn't buckle you were okay, but I wouldn't want to do it again. Independent Babergh District councillor for Ganges, Derek Davis. It began snowing on Boxing Day. The HMS Ganges site was initially opened in 1904 acted as a boys training facility for the Royal Navy. Tony Hayden. Report abuse. It was a facade hiding unknown treasures unknown tricks for us to perform, the first of which was to mark our kit with our names. Each time I let it go off it popped, falling to the deck with a clatter. They say you never forget the place and I agree. HMS Ganges was a training ship and later stone frigate of the Royal Navy. Mr Jones said: "There is a lot of truth to the statement that you entered as a boy, but left as a man. Outbreak of World War One. they said. Initially, training continued to be carried out on the vessel, but after the completion of a shore-based facility at Shotley, the ship was sent to be broken up. Probably running away was the worse decision, they were always caught and returned to the camp. My DO was so unforgetable I can't remember his name, but he ponced around with his handky up his sleeve and a curled lip. If you are dissatisfied with the response provided you can I would imagine it will be a number of years before we see the final product but Ive seen first hand how quickly they can actually make progress once the builders get going. Learn how your comment data is processed. The cold water often caused some boys to duck in and out of the water quickly or sometimes not at all. I would like to see the mast and museum moved to the safety of HMS Raleigh though to ensure its upkeep and maintenance. Free (donations towards running costs are welcome) The training was tough, brutal at times, yet many of those who came through remember HMS Ganges, at Shotley Gate, with a certain fondness. Read about our approach to external linking. Our abuse contact API returns data containing information belonging to the abuse contact of every IP address on the Internet. To get out of the showers we had to stand before our instructor legs apart arms raised for inspection. It closed in 1998 or something. Several tales about bullying and the harsh regime generally, not so much about the famous and frequent official canings. The HMS Ganges training base, which opened in 1905, closed in 1976 and has remained derelict. Other things we had to do included, clean a toilet with a toothbrush, polish a hundred square feet of block-wood flooring with a boot brush every night before going to bed, paint the inside of a dustbin white before putting your rubbish into it. She remained in service at RNTE Shotley until October 1976. Yes, I got it wrong! These adverts enable local businesses to get in front of their target audience the local community. Jon Sparks. The water was freezing cold, we never had hot water. Were you at HMS Ganges? Finally he withdrew his hand and declared I passed the test. He was subsequently dismissed from the service and returned to civilian life. I wrote this song a long time ago. The one chippy bugger who thought it good fun to make you spar with him in the wash room (Annexe) I met up with in the Far Flung and gave him more than he gave me. Graduating from Ganges held the promise of better times ahead, we would be real sailors, excited at the prospect of visiting far off and exotic lands. 1905. It. Sad to see such an establishment close as it was so full of history and meant so much to so many. The culprit was brought before the Commanders table, the punishment was awarded as six or twelve cuts. joined in '63 Dreadnought in the Annexe and Duncan in main camp, Went swimming at Vincent before colling-grad got its pool, and sailing if my memory is not totally shot, I sometimes considered climbing to the top of the mast a tossing myself off. CLICK ABOVE TO OPEN GALLERY. I just got on with it. Once the situation eases a bit there will be tangible progress to be seen.. Martin Foster, 54, of Haig Road, Uxbridge, had already admitted two charges of fraud by abuse of position. Aerial artist's impression of one of the green spaces earmarked for the former HMS Ganges site in Shotley Gate. If you are dissatisfied with the response provided you can It was as we crossed the parade ground the whole bunch of us suddenly froze and spun to face a huge aircraft-hanger-of-a-building running along its length. Babergh District councillor Ganges, Derek Davis, said: From my own personal perspective I have seen how closely our officers and our planning team have worked with the owners of the site and I can imagine that once the lockdown is over and the guys get started, progress will be made very quickly. Real posh supercilious bastard. Those ads you do see are predominantly from local businesses promoting local services. As Rudyard Kipping wrote in his famous poem IF the you will be a man my son. Those ads you do see are predominantly from local businesses promoting local services. She was established as a boys' training establishment in 1865, and was based aboard a number of hulks before moving ashore. Not to the required half-moon, but to the first platform, where, when authoritative eyes were averted, I dashed to the other side and climbed back down.. HMS Ganges was a "stone frigate" or land-based institution for the Royal Navy, and between 1905 and 1976 was one of the key training bases used to prepare sailors to defend Great Britain. Life on the ship was extremely hard, with a memorial in Mylor, Cornwall, recording the names of 53 people who died while training on it between 1866 and 1899. This punishment was something I never witnessed and can only describe from what other boys told me. We were ordered to turn around and bend over, if the instructor was satisfied we were clean, we were allowed out. Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in: You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. Maybe we boxed each other in the Shotley annexe! Bob Roberts. Those ads you do see are predominantly from local businesses promoting local services. After eating I dashed down to the boat sheds to report for my test. Picture: SARAH LUCY BROWN, Artist's impression showing the view across a residential street at the redeveloped HMS Ganges site in Shotley Gate. She was established as a boys' training establishment in 1865, and was based aboard a number of hulks before moving ashore. I joined Ganges 30th June 1955 also as a boy telegraphist. At 14 he ran away to join the Royal Navy and 'signed on' for 12 years. While I was going through the various calls I felt his hand slipping up the back of my shorts. The Royal Naval Training Establishment Shotley (known within the Royal Navy as HMS Ganges) was established in southern Suffolk in 1905. One lad, a Geordie, was drafted early to a Destroyer bound for the Mediterraniann sailed from Plymouth He was washed overboard on his first few hours at sea..His parents never knew of the misery he suffered at Ganges. I recall watching a boy, who had been thrown in the deep end of the swimming pool, struggling in the water while a sadistic instructor smiled, saying, 'Look what happens if you can't bloody well swim?' The HMS Ganges training base, which opened in 1905, closed in 1976 and has remained . I came across a clip on youtube that really saddened me and it tells its own story about the UK as it is now and the real fact that such things as pride, standards etc have long been lost and decay and neglect are the order of the day, I do not need to walk very far from my home to see with my own eyes the evidence all around me. On the remainder of the command 'Bayonets' the left hand pulled the bayonet from the scabbard, placed it on the barrel of the rifle and, with a quick twist of the wrist, secured it in place. http://www.28dayslater.co.uk/hms-ganges-swimming-pool-shotley-may-2015.t96792, Anniversary Toast - HMS RALEIGH 25th Oct 2009, Telegraph: "Captain Peter Grindal Obituary", Future Ford vehicles could repossess themselves, 10 myths told by Covid 'experts' now debunked. The mast was erected in 1907 for boy entrant training purposes using the lower foremast (steel) from HMS Cordelia (1881) with other sections from the mizzen mast of HMS Agincourt (1865). HP10 9TY. According to the HMS Ganges Museum, her timbers were used to make objects including a grand staircase on an estate, and a cocktail bar in a small hotel, both in Devon. May 46 to HMS Wakeful, Training Flotilla for a twelve-week tour from . The pipe (whistle) was used aboard ship for passing orders and instructions. attempted to climb to the top of the mast, Harry and Meghan told to 'vacate' Frogmore Cottage, Explosive found in check-in luggage at US airport, Fungus case forces Jack Daniels to halt construction, Aboriginal spears taken in 1770 to return to Sydney, China and Belarus call for peace in Ukraine, Rare Jurassic-era bug found at Arkansas Walmart. The overall height is 143 feet 10 inches, with the button being 11 inches diameter and 3 inches thick. It is important that we continue to promote these adverts as our local businesses need as much support as possible during these challenging times. Statistics for the 1930s indicate some 200 official canings per year in HMS Ganges alone, an average of four per week. It had been HO (Hostilities-only) traing during the war. From it came bloodcurdling cries of command, so frightening that I most surely would have obeyed them myself, if had I understood what they meant. Coronation Day of George VI. Royal Navy 238217 Ordinary Seaman HMS Niobe . Sailors' uniforms were a familiar sight in our area until HMS Ganges closed in June 1976. ( Royal Naval Detention Quarters RNDQs Portsmouth), Listen to No Flowers for Geordie on SoundCloud. "We're hoping that we can get some of the money back from him, but we don't know if that's going to be possible.". Like lots of other boys I ran away from home when I was 14 yrs old and joined the Royal Navy as a Boy Seaman 2nd class. Developers Wavensmere Homes and Galliard Homes plan to build almost 300 homes on the site and include a restored mast in the development. She was established as a boys' training establishment in 1865, and was based aboard a number of hulks before moving ashore. As a matter of interest how many of you did your 22 and beyond not many I suspect therefore you look back with nostalgia, fcuking hated the place and made certain I never treated any of my guys the same as the youngsters were treated there. It may not display this or other websites correctly. One not only suffered the punishment such as doubling up and down the steps of laundry hill with a 303 rifle held high. The money belonged to the HMS Ganges Association for people who served at the former naval training base at Shotley Gate near Ipswich, Suffolk. Boys normally signed up to a contract of 12 years, which would leave most of them aged in their late 20s after their tours. Every new recruit was required to climb it, not to the very top but to the half moon, about thirty-feet from the top. Mr Davis added: They have had the last conditions, including the fire hydrants agreed. Read about our approach to external linking. She remained in service at RNTE Shotley until October 1976. yes I was there in 92 .Essex, Nolfolk , Herts Suffolk and Cambs police all used it. 4 reviews When Peter Broadbent entered HMS Ganges, the toughest training establishment for young recruits to the Royal Navy, he was a naive 15-year-old Yorkshire schoolboy, entranced with the idea of seeing the world, proud of his drainpipe trousers and DA hairstyle, and eager to meet girls. HMS Ganges in Shotley Gate, Suffolk, was a land-based training centre for recruits between 1905 and 1976. Change), You are commenting using your Twitter account. Im here as my Son (15) wants to join the RN - Wellbeck route AIB soon. Network 157.90../16 Abuse Contact API. Looking pretty in candy-striped pyjama bottoms and naked chests, we were ordered across the parade ground, through the snow and ice, to the 'heads', that grown-up potty land, which had neither doors nor partitions around the bowls for privacy, to partake in our morning ablutions, a most embarrassing experience. He was quite good too. She was based alternately in Falmouth, Harwich (from 1899) and Shotley (from 1905). . I shuddered to the bone, as I'm sure did other boys. The showers usually took place at the crack of dawn, summer or winter we ran from the barrack towel around our waist to the showers. But this was Ganges, we never got away with anything. Newsquest Media Group Ltd, Loudwater Mill, Station Road, High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire. I joined up in 1968,three years after my brother, he hated it I was one off the sad ones that loved it, even the kit musters on the mast! I wondered, sewing, perhaps! Some boys were home sick, some just tried to stay out of trouble, one or two ran away. As a subscriber, you are shown 80% less display advertising when reading our articles. 1971. I told him "I don't give a flying feck!" H.M.S. I did climb that mast. To get to the platform you would climb out over the Devil's Elbow, legs dangling in the air, only your grip keeping you from certain death. Padre Weekes was always good for a fag and Jim Conroy (PTI) taught me to yodel. Thus was the nature of Ganges harsh training regime. 2023 BBC. The Royal Navy training mast in Shotley Gate, pictured in 1936, was erected in 1907, A photograph of the base taken sometime in the 1950s (left), with recruits on the mast in 1937, with one recruit just about visible near the very top, John Youngman said his training at the site stood him in good stead for the rest of his life, Warning: Third party content may contain adverts, A pupil band from The Royal Hospital School performed at the event, It is expected to take at least a year to restore the mast at the tip of the Shotley peninsula, across the water from Felixstowe and Harwich. July 27, Awarded the Freedom of Ipswich. I was so fearful of that oncoming event I was becoming a nervous wreck, each night reading the next day's daily orders, wondering if tomorrow would be the day I crapped my pants in public. Some boys failed the initial inspection which only lengthen their time in the freezing conditions. In attendance was a senior officer, medical officer and the master at arms. 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