Absolutely riveting.i couldn't put it down, and was completely draw in and addicted. One contains the remains of their son, Dr. Andrew Bagby. Or it's in the car. When Turner arrived in Canada, she moved into an apartment in St. Johns with her college-age son, T.J. Shears. I didn't have. Mr. BAGBY: Oh, this ranks right up there. The chief suspect for Andrew's murder was his ex-girlfriend Shirley Turner? Click above for unlimited listening to select audiobooks, Audible Originals, and podcasts. Easy duty. Reviewed in the United States on September 4, 2020. At the final bonfire, David and Kate broke up, with Kateleaving the island aloneand David leaving with one of the single women, Toneata. This hope is brutally extinguished when Shirley kills Zachary on one of her visitations. would now have to be something else, a visual letter to Andrew's baby. We couldn't let the authorities who let this happen get away with it. And it was the happiest they had been since the days before their son was murdered. I, was like, `Hi, buddy.' Shirley asked them to take custody of Zachary while she was gone. We finally got a baby.. MORRISON: Zachary fell asleep in his car seat. Andrew Bagby, who never knew Turner was pregnant, was the father. For an optimal experience visit our site on another browser. Mr. BAGBY: We fret and worried and everything. This film was no longer a letter to you, Unidentified Man #23: Well, everybody always says, well, what. (Driving through rainy street; correctional facility sign; Andrew; Kurt, Unidentified Woman #8: They would drive two hours to the jail. GARDNER: (Audio recording) Would you be willing to turn the gun into your local police department so they could get it to us to let us look at it? By 6 p.m. she left for Keystone State Park, where she and Andrew had agreed to meet after his hospital shift. And that little boy. Dear Abby: Why do they imply my husband is a freak? Shirley. Mr. SHEARS: I thought they were great with him. They would go to Pennsylvania to . Reviewed in the United States on March 14, 2022. Reviewed in the United States on October 26, 2016. The public declaration all but removed the Bagbys doubts. Reviewed in the United States on January 15, 2017, This is a book written by David Bagby about the murder of his son by his mentally ill obsessed stalker Dr. Shirley Turner. Temptation Islandairs Tuesdays at 10 pm ET on USA. granddad? Snow. is a eulogy for a dead son, an elegy for lives cut tragically short, and a castigation of a broken system. I mean, the best man is really the groom. Andrew came to St. John's. If Shirley, Turner had her way, they wouldn't have met Zachary at all, claiming she didn't. You could see Andrew in that boy. It was all incorrect from the beginning, that all this, innocence and everything she's told you was a lie. Kate says everything seemed to be going smoothly, until here. Shirley Turner, awaiting, extradition for murder, was out of prison on bail. However awkward Shirley Turner made it, they were sweet, cooperative. Authorities later determined his former lover Dr.. I was at work and the receptionist said you have a call from the Sunnyvale police, says Kate, then a nurse practitioner in obstetrics and gynecology at Santa Clara Valley Medical Center. Is it OK? I would have to dream up some reason to go over, there in the middle of the night, to--for me to just appear on her doorstep, Mr. BAGBY: Turned out I wasn't. It was a congloption, Kate says of the menu. But he was accepted here, St. John's, Newfoundland, the easternmost point in North America. Immortalized in the spellbinding documentary Dear Zachary, this angry, raw, and brutally honest memoir of murder and loss chronicles a systems failure to prevent the death of a child. The couple are still coping with the murders of their son and grandson. Kate answered the phone, and she couldn't get off the phone for an hour. They sometimes visited with Zachary and Turner as if nothing had happened. But before that could happen, Shirley was apparently deemed neither, dangerous nor a flight risk and almost immediately released on bail, most of, it posted by one of her mentors from med school, a psychiatrist to whom she'd, gone for treatment after Andrew's murder. Six-month-old Zachary was, returned to her. "There, is no indication of a psychological disorder that would give concern about, potential harm to the public generally as her crime, while violent, was, specific in nature." This sad tale tells how slowly justice moved and failed to protect an innocent year old child. They both rejected her, and she responded by killing them. When search suggestions are available use up and down arrows to review and enter to select. Despite being a documentary, this film revolves around a major plot twist in its second half, and many of the trope names themselves are spoilers for it. I had a job I loved. On Nov. 14, a Canadian judge ruled that Turner should indeed be jailed while arguments continued on whether she should be sent back to the United States. Hes been murdered, Kate said to David. Mr. BAGBY: She told the court she was afraid we would harm the baby. Kate and David Bagby knew exactly what they were going to do. More than all that, the Bagbys tale is about two people who endured one personal tragedy, which was compounded in harrowing ways that would surely crush most of us. MORRISON: Zachary Andrew Turner, the son of murder victim Andrew, Bagby and his accused killer Shirley Turner, was born on July 18th 2002, eight, months after the young doctor's murder. CBC's Journalistic Standards and Practices. Mr. BAGBY: I think it was a rage at the person who did this. whether she was capable of hurting Zachary. At 3am on Monday, August 18, Turner drove to a near by marina . Written by the father of the murder victim, you learn all the details that led up to his son's murder and the preventable murder of his grandson. And this book was okay. MORRISON: What thought or feeling did that give you? Colleagues warned him to go to the police but, instead, after work that day he drove to a car park to meet her. David Bagby has written such a poignant account of the sordid happenings and has brought both Andrew and Zachary alive on the pages. In November 2001, Bagby was found dead under suspicious circumstances in a local park, to the anguish of many. And Kate would walk into the house, especially when Andrew was home for a visit from the University of California-Irvine. "Nobody wants to do it, but you have to do it.". (David and Kate; photo of Andrew by tape being put into recording device; Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Are you babysitting? (Photo of Andrew and Kurt; Kurt editing film; collection of videotapes with, Mr. KUENNE: It was no longer just my search for what was left of, (Collection of videotapes of raw footage), Mr. KUENNE: I thought, I'm kind of the keeper of all this footage that is. "When people have seen Dear Zachary, they gasp," says David. When theyre telling their story, David will invariably ask Kate whether shed like to start a particular chapter, or should he? Since their son was murdered in 2001 and their . It is a story of their love for an infant and a tale of their determination to care for the child, even if it meant learning to live with the woman they were sure had killed their son. I have to be honest, I've stopped reading this at 27%. Mr. SHEARS: When we woke up in the morning, realized they weren't there. The Bagbys offered each other a balance. MORRISON: Andrew's best friend, filmmaker Kurt Kuenne, suddenly, just knew what he had begun as a small film to memorialize his old friend. He was like, `Eh, mm.' Mr. BAGBY: That's one of the options, and that's the one we hoped for. How they were able to do that is phenomenal, actually, says the Rev. She would never go away. But their efforts to safeguard him weren't enough and they saythat both the justice system and the child welfare system failed them. MORRISON: There might have been a particular reason for this. 2007 David Bagby (P)2016 ListenUp Production, LLC. MORRISON: Andrew Bagby. TVTropes is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License. While fending off extradition efforts by U.S. law enforcement, she announced she was pregnant with Andrew's son, Zachary. In February 2002, Turners Canadian lawyer made an announcement that changed everything: Shirley Turner was pregnant with Andrew Bagbys baby. In June 2003 the Attorney General ordered that Turner be extradited to the US. killed herself and Zachary in a murder-suicide. Mackenzie is particularly fond of Survivor, which she has been watching ever since she was born. Andrew Bagby was an easygoing man with a wide circle of friends who found it almost impossible to say no to people. MORRISON: The Bagbys said that Shirley would later apologize for, her reaction. Permissions beyond the scope of this license may be available from thestaff@tvtropes.org. Why would she say that if he wasn't? I'm absolutely sure. The idea is for both individuals to be tempted by the singles, and ultimately decide if their partners are their perfect matches. Cpl. By Zacharys birthday in July 2003, Turners fight against extradition had suffered another blow. If it looks like she's likely to go back, how is she going to behave? After reading what happened to that poor innocent little boy I truly think that the people responsible for leaving him with his dangerous, violent suicidal mother should do hard time in prison. I was truly shocked when I watched it. The governments report concluded that in all reasonable probability Turner was searching for a way to easily access the ocean along the rocky coast. He eventually moved on to a residency in Latrobe, Pa., and she went to work as a family practice doctor in Council Bluffs, Iowa. The Bagbys were confident Turner would be returned to Pennsylvania for trial in a matter of weeks. David and Kate Bagby must have been saints to have had to tolerate personal dealings with their only child's murderess,and basically have to groval to her to even see their precious only-ever grandchild.Yet,they did whatever they could for the sake of Zachary.Most people (myself included) would have made away with Shirley Turner the first chance they got.Why should they have even been put in that insane situation in the first place? `Are you Kathleen Bagby? I said, `Yes. He said, `You have to call the coroner in Greensburg. I knew then, it had to be Andrew.. Tragically, Shirley kills Zachary in a murder-suicide. HEATHER: I was so excited that he was dating somebody. His parents were ecstatic. Unable to add item to List. "We had to deal with her to get to Zachary.". "You ask yourself, 'How could that happen?'". Mr. SIMPSON: And he said, `I'm going to need to catch up with you, and we're going to have to do some serious talking.' MORRISON: And, says T.J., in the way of her opportunities to be. After breaking up at the final bonfire and ultimately reconciling, here's what David and Kate have been up to since Temptation Island season 2 aired. In fact, Turner would travel frequently from Iowa to visit Andrew in Latrobe, something shed done the week before he was killed. MORRISON: The girl was Heather, also an aspiring doctor. The man said Turner had called him about 200 times in a one-month period, including a call to tell him she was pregnant with his child. MORRISON: Life for Andrew Bagby was good. Beyond all that, they have each other, which has proven to be a force stronger than they ever knew. After breaking up at the final bonfire and ultimately reconciling, here's what David and Kate have been up to since Temptation Island season 2 aired. ", Audience Relations, CBC P.O. The ending was so shocking, I was screaming with David Bagby That bitch! If I, just kill her, Zachary will be safe. not only is Shirley Turner never held accountable for murdering Andrew, but she's allowed to keep primary custody of Zachary, ultimately resulting in his death. We couldnt live without him, Kate Bagby says. Kate and David were robbed of their son and grandson, and the world was robbed of a great Dr. and person. The Bagbys thoughts soon turned from suicide. The legal system helped her kill Zachary. Zachary, how's our baby today? I didn't even know why I was going, other than Mom didn't want. (Newfoundland; Shears driving; photo of Shirley and Zachary; water at night; Mr. SHEARS: She said Zachary was being fussy and that just driving him, around would calm him down. For the Bagbys, Zacharys birth was the start of more than a year of renewed joy and incomprehensible pain. in honor of his beloved friend Andrew, and then for Andrew's son, Zachary. This story broke my heart. David can go from nearly shaking in anger when he talks about the murder to almost sobbing in sadness over the memory of his boy. He says his mother was so often, unavailable, especially from the time she started medical school. (Shirley in court; Supreme Court of Newfoundland sign), Mr. BAGBY: And then they started slogging through the courts with one issue, MORRISON: In the meantime, Andrew's parents made a momentous. Andrew Bagby, 28, was their light, their love, their boy. decision. It would take two weeks. They hadn't been identified, but it's obvious who they, MORRISON: He was right. 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