If they are both single stage, they will basically feel the same. Weve even got a state-centric message board/forum promoting gun rights. As for Springfield Armory, Im really sorry to see them cross over to the dark side. I ended up buying an Honor Defense Honor Guard. Very pleased with it, as it has most of the features I wanted on a CC weapon. You should buy a BCM, Daniel Defense, or LWRC. I checked my order history. Now for 2022, the company ups the game for hunters with the introduction of the All-Terrain Hunter (ATH) , a mid-length rifle that stands tall in the field of AR-platform hunting rifles. Free Shipping On Most Rifles, Upper Halves And Complete Lower Halves. Rock Solid: Rock River Arms NSP CAR Rifle. PERIOD. Sorry for the spelling error. Posted: 1/27/2021 10:51:01 AM EST. I will now buy another LAR-8 in case you idiots force RRA out of business. You and your mindset are one of the problems with this country. This should put some perspective on how important this issue is to many of us. Thanks Springfield. Done. RRA and Springfield can suck my dong, they will never get a penny from me. How is it that they even survived to change in the first place? Keyboard commandos wont fight it out on any battlefield. You write as though weve been asleep. He didnt say, Hey, we screwed up. Rock Rivers AR builds are superb, and they come in at a price thats quite reasonable (starting at $1,585). Its sad but it happens. If you dont support Ruger you dont support American ideals. RRA is pretty close to Iowa iirc. Nothing unethical about this practice. Maybe worst of all, passage gives anti-gunners a win they desperately needed. Its like saying Saturn is really, really big, and huge, too! CMMG .300 blackout will become my next purchase. Was very interested in this new pistol too as a possible single-stack semi-auto alternative to my J-frame. I had some AR parts on order a few days before Sands Hook. Have you not been following this story? Advertise their treachery. The firearms community will be better without them. The original company lives on today under the name Winche ster. There are more corrupt justices out their than honest ones. Its about the same price as an M1A. Somehow, I get the idea the House will be a cakewalk for any anti-gun bill compared to the Senate, which this one has already passed. The news of Springfield Armory and Rock River Arms selling Illinois gun dealers and gun owners down the river continues to spread among The People of The Gun. I only want American Made firearms like Henry & Ruger. The rights of citizens that theyve agreed to negotiate away will NEVER be restored. They make a so-so M14 copy that can only stand up because Norinco cant export their el-cheapo copy here anymore. Just to be clear, they are using the name of the original company of Springfield, but they are not located in the city of Springfield. (Im a 30 yr Vet). Was going to purchase a TRP and was looking at RRA ar. Im not ordering anything Springfield. I think it was meant to be used with gloves on only. I think a hit to Springfield sales should get them leaning on the IFMA (who should be facing a hit to subscribers) enough for the IFMA to not fold in the future. Especially ones outside Chiraq. Thanks for Nothing SA. Ruger sold us out on the 94 AWB and it is well documented. If they pull funding from the group well have some decent evidence that they didnt and dont support this carve out and are catching crap for something which they had no part in creating. thats the one ive just stopped considering. We can live without them much better than they can live with out us. They use forged parts and at least the Chinese are honest to let you know where the parts come from (China) whereas with Springfield it is a toss-up where the parts are made (I heard from Taiwan, Canada, even the Czech Republic!!). That doesnt change whats actually been proven that was three years ago. A CEO that listens to the customer. My 1911 search continues and Ill never purchase a Springfield. Accurate and precise for Mostly out of states with onerous laws and heavy taxation. Asit should. Anyone who tries will come out worse for the experience. Huh? RRA should be punished too. The local ones are more like highway bandits than gun dealers. In your opinion. Springfield for intention; RRA for negligence. The S&W deal with Clinton was made on March 17, 2000 and the company was sold for $45 million ($15 million cash and $30 million in acquired debt) on May 11, 2001 Hugely disappointing. Bill may not have been perfect (who is), but his passion for firearms was solid and he was known as Americas Gunmaker, for good reasons. As an Illinois dealer, I will no longer stock, sell or support Rock River Arms or Springfield Armory products. Springfield isnt doing anything that the vast majority of companies do, protecting their bottom line. Dont need it, but I kinda like it. WebRock River Arms LAR-15 X-1 5.56mm Black Semi-Auto Rifle with RRA Beast Muzzle Brake Brand: Rock River Arms; Item Number: XAR1751B; Rock River Arms LAR-15 X-1 5.56mm Flat Dark Earth (FDE) Semi-Auto Rifle with RRA Beast Muzzle Br Brand: Rock River Arms; Item Number: XAR1751T; At the same time, Rock River Arms began to build AR-15 style rifles. Rock River Arms also produces M1911 pattern pistols, bolt-action rifles, and AR-15 style pistols in assorted calibers. [5] [6] Last trip to the range, ran a couple hundred rounds of all flavors through it without an FTE/FTF. My inventory of six XD pistols two 1911 .45s and two M 1As will be up for sale tommorow. It doesnt have to be both for the same reason. IRS records have also been found that shows Reese is on the board of IFMA. THEY MUST BE BOYCOTTED INTO BANKRUPTCY. I have a Rock River PDS carbine. What should be boycotted is this garbage blog. RRA IS THE ONLY COMPANY THAT CAN MAKE A RELIABLE AR-10. The vast majority of companies can do what they want to, but have have to insist that firearms companies fight for the 2nd EVEN WHEN ITS NOT IN THEIR COMPLETE SELF INTEREST TO DO SO. Illinoying is pushing to get shut down. I agree. So an opportunity to block others selling in Illinois seemed like a quick and dirty way to make a few more bucks. Of course lobbyists have the highest ethical standards, so thats just crazy talk. Two? The company makes a wide variety of weapons, including AR-15 and M16 rifles, as well as pistols, shotguns, and bolt-action rifles. RRA models, like the RRAGE, LAR15, BTB, ATH, LAR68 & Light Mountain, are available in many different color options and calibers. Seems like a stand up guy to me. After further review, Rock River Arms, Inc. (RRA) is immediately severing all ties with the Illinois Firearms Manufacturers Association (IFMA). We feel that IFMAs integrity is compromised and we will not be a part of the organization. Come to find out the guy had paid triple for the supply to be trucked in so people could have them. As if they want to implode. I live in Illinois. They hate freedom and absolutely love all powerful Government. Glad I happened upon this article. An American didnt screw all other American gun-owners. THEY MUST PARISH AND EVERYONE WHO DOESNT BACK ME IM GONNA CURSE AT AND BE MEAN TO!!! Might see if you can find one to test out. Sure, the majority will be DOA, but blue and swing states will see this get passed using this an example of good gun control that even firearms companies support. Im appalled that Rock River thinks that we are that gullible.. That kind of thing actually happens all the time in lobbying. Most importantly, support our brothers in arms in Illinois. Ive refused to buy S&W products since then, with the sole exception of a Model 640 Pro .357 Magnum, which lacks the damned thing. Not a nice odor. But when you have a muti million dollar company thats set up in a state thats you cant just pick up and move then you do what you have to do to survive. That will never happen now. Rock River Arms earned their reputation by manufacturing some of the most accurate and reliable semi-auto rifles for the law enforcement and civilian markets. With support like that, who needs Everytown? In my collection i have a M1A, a Socom 16, a XDM in 45 and a XDmod2 in 9mm. Henry and Ruger get my votes for Americas Gunmakers. Great comment, but I dont think it is enough. Never give one inch or miles will be lost. My SA 1911 Loaded Target has been my favorite pistol since I bought it last year. January 2023. They rebrand the HS2000 as the XD and jack up the price $200. And the law mainly affecting small businesses, thats a feature, I think, not a bug. Tell us more about your experience in running a business. Didnt you read this article? Rock River Arms is a firearms manufacturer located in Colona, Illinois. I cannot in good conscience support in any way a company that would pull this kind of stunt. The RBG-1S is available in .308 Win./7.62x51 and 6.5 Creedmoor, with a 20-, 22- or 24-inch barrel, and a black, green or tan stock. If only there was a place to run-and-gun in or near NWI. But I struggle with the NEVER AGAIN WILL I EVER SUPPORT THIS COMPANY. I also find their use of Springfield Armory in their advertising repulsive, implying over 240 years of history in the current company, starting in 1777. The Illinois Manufacturers Association will continue to fight and protect not only manufacturers, but dealers and the gun owner as well.. Of course there will be others that benefit as well. Rock River Arms built its reputation on quality semi-automatic AR-pattern rifles and 1911 handguns. Wasnt there big stink couple years ago about so called kitchen table FFLs not realy conducting business for living and just getting wholesale pricing on guns for themselves and their family members? Whats the feedback at the NRA show running like? Pick something and follow it. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Join up with other interest groups if common goals can be found. Bonus was it was stainless frame and made in the USA. Thats how capitalism works. WebRock River Arms RAGE AR-15 Rifle 5.56 Nato / .223 Rem, 16" BBL, 6 Position Stock, M-LOK Free Float Rail, 30 Round, LAR-15M - Model DS1850 Carbine. Or cameras? More interesting question: can Springfield even attempt to disavow at this point? But it will be history at my house. Bill is long gone and the last 15yrs of Ruger leadership have taken a much different stance. Layoffs to follow. Like a shrewd negotiator, Harmonhappily added a manufacturer and big box retailer carve-out to the bill so he couldcobble together the last few votes he needed to get it through the Senate. Youre welcome to come visit and help during the next election cycle. And whats worse, if it passes, Bloomberg will attempt to duplicate this legislation in all 50 states. Glock and S&W sell their guns to states like NY, NJ, HI that trample our 2A rights every day but I dont see you bashing them and Ill bet most of you own a Glock or a S&W. When I explained that sales were still legal before the SAFE Act deadline went into force, they still refused. It will make my future purchases easier because two manufacturers are automatically removed from my search and consideration. And gun control wins, like this keep the gravy train flowing so they can continue to draw a paycheck and keep on going. We do not need traitors in our midst. I considered buying an XDs when I was looking for a conceal carry, glad I bought something else. WebRock River Arms is a firearms manufacturer that produces a variety of rifles, pistols, and parts for civilian, law enforcement, and military markets. Bullshit. Many companies make mistakes, sometimes huge. had I known earlier, I might have bought a few more colt revolvers..god I wish Id known. When Colorado banned high cap magazines magpul moved to Texas. This rifle is fed by a 10-round AICS-pattern detachable box magazine. They must be put out of business for their treachery. I posted a similar comment on another article about the same subject matter, but again, and for emphasis: SPRINGFIELD IS DEAD TO ME. The RRAGE pistol features a 10.5-inch barrel. If IFMA had stood shoulder-to-shoulder with the NRA-ILA, the Illinois State Rifle Association, Guns Save Lifeand the National Shooting Sports Foundation working as a team to oppose this egregiousbill wed have had a good chance of depriving anti-gunners of a badly needed win. Now that I understand what occurred its pretty obvious as gunners we need to pass on Springfield and run to Henry. because Im sure you dont live in illinios. Wrong. Maybe the deal was the result ofa lobbyist gone rogue. It is in between 5.56 and .223, but will safely shoot both. Rock River Arms, Incorporated is a manufacturing company in Colona, Illinois that manufacturers parts and accessories for AR-15 / M16 type rifles, as well as other firearms. Rock River Arms is owned and operated by brothers Mark and Chuck Larson. Between 1981 and 1991 the Larsons worked at Springfield Armory, Inc., where Mark was the head armorer. The law doesnt get past the senate without Springfields cooperation. I buy and shoot a lot of guns, and this includes SA models, but I have put them on notice that I will never buy another unless they make this right. No lobbyist will take a position without their clients approval, because THE CLIENT PAYS THE LOBBYISTS SALARY. Fuck Ruger as well. I really wanted a trp and a cqb but oh well will get something from another manufacturer. It happens ALL THE TIME, and with companies much larger than RRA. I dont buy imported guns so SA & RRA are not going to loose any sales because of me. Now they piss on us and tell us its raining? I just bought a DDM4V11 in January at an unheard of, low price of $1369. I bought a RRA rifle back in 2012. Either dont have any or I overpay to have the stock and have it at a price that everyone individual doesnt want to buy the whole lot at once. I look at their site and the parts were available from the same warehouses at a higher price. They did what they had to do to stay profitable just like companies in Kalifornia and NewYork and liberal bastions.. Who Makes Rock River Arms? Sooner or later they are going to destroy you. The Henry ri fle was made by the New Haven Ar ms Company. That should be true. Major mistake, Springfield. ! mantra. This year, State Senator Don Harmon needed IFMA to end their opposition to his bill. The RRA LAR-15 is a quality gun, in just about any configuration you can come up with. I swear its getting hard to keep track of them all by memory. This is income tax refund time. What opinion? This new model is the latest in the growing line of rifles and pistols based on the RRAGE platform. If you want to scope your BM 59, there is a company that makes a direct over the bore scope kit for Garands that fits the BM59. Find gray, black, tan, alpine and other finishes on these .223 Rem / 5.56mm, .450 Bushmaster or 6.8 SPC chambered rifles. WebRock River Arms LAR-15 Lightweight Mountain Rifle | MT1800X 5.56 NATO (223 Rem), 16" Chrome-Moly Lightweight BBL, Semi-Automatic, 6-Position Black Stock, Black Finish, RRA Lightweight, 30+1 Rds. Rock River Arms has built a reputation as a quality maker of modern sporting rifles and offers an extremely diverse list of models and options. Springfield is DEAD to me. I own or have owned a number of AR's, including a couple of LaRue's, a KAC, a PWS and a POF. thats what matter and they put that last. If RRA really didnt know about this, then their next steps should be to cancel their membership in IFMA, denounce the lobying they did, and maybe start looking to move. All evidence to the contrary? you cant fix prices or youll get a shortage. Made in US, SSteel frame, ambi controls, no mag safety, field strips/assembles in less than a minute with no tools or pulling trigger. For those who missed it, we broke the story late Thursday evening. Reese is a business guy, not a gun guy, as this video demonstrates: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkfjwStDUUQ, At 1:02 hes pointing the XD at the host (which Leathem mentions, ?). $14.95 Per Firearm One $9.99 Charge For Any Amount of Accessories That is amazingly Some mightsay IFMAs change of heart might not have made a definitive difference. This product has an average rating of 4 stars out of 5 stars from 3 ratings. They pulled the same crap for the Clinton ban, Amen almost bought a springfield I agree with you to hell with them sig glock ruger for me here on out. Aluminum Mags Just Starting At $14.00 At Rock River Arms. This companys name is Mudd. I was just about to order another springfield xdm .45. If for no other reason than as a cautionary tale to other would be future sell outs. Yes I am planning on moving. 84283412342. Yes, very disappointed. Ive heard of them canceling orders. Search Ruger anti gun. Just as its equally acceptable for folks like me to attempt to boycott them into bankruptcy. 3) Lobbyist got paid by someone else to convince his clients this was a slick deal. Whats more, Larson seems genuinely appalled by what happened. After the next civil war, we wont allow another one. Ive gotten good deals and free shipping on Handguards from CTD. The vocal retards who screamed about this conveniently ignored that last part. Most places, its still over $1500. Very close to where I grew up. Rock River Arms (RRA) has introduced a new AR-style rifle to its lineup, designed specifically with the modern hunter in mind, with the new All Terrain Hunter (ATH). Was also saving up for an m1a. So how is screwing your customer base over a sound business strategy? Yes, a company can move and thrive, as it only a matter of time before the cutout is removed and they are closed down. Or companies selling imported crap that pretend to be American. Typical narrow minded hypocrites. Send a signal to IL Senators and the Governor that supporting the bill is politically a trainwreck. COPYRIGHT 2021, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM. After Ruger (finally) gets all of its new products launched they will have just about all the bases covered. Hes told several industry types that he had no contact with IFMA lobbyist Jay Keller and knew nothing of this carve-out. They hate this stuff because opponents can use it. If that hurts a company whos sold you out, good. The more concentrated the producers and sellers of firearms becomes the easier it will be to controlled and monitored. Magpul moved to WY. Good luck with that RRA. LAR 8 is a nice weapon. And IFMA successfully lobbied and got a manufactures exemption this bill . September 30, 2010 By Greg Rodriguez. The Springfields looked to be a good value. Current employees would be welcone to come along, otherwise there are many good and talented Americans looking for work. Bill Ruger retired from the company in 2000 and died in 2002. This would appear to be financial suicide by Springfield. Youve just restated Bill Rugers justification for selling out gun-rights so he could keep his company viable. Sellouts. So, if youre looking for a cheap AR-15, Rock if you run a company and you dont know whats going on this is what you deserve. However, too many judges seem to rule on what they think should be fine, instead of the law. They MUST be boycotted into bankruptcy. When S&W is in the position to potentially block anti-gun legislation but decides not to because it is better for their business even if it screws their customers, THEN YOU WILL SEE ME call for an S&W boycott. Rock River Arms offers its version with a twist near and dear to my heart: the new LAR-15 pistol is available in both right- and left-hand configurations. A whole lot of gun owners see the deal as a sell-out. It might not have, but then again, if Senator Harmon didnt think it wouldnt have gotten himthat last vote or two he needed, he wouldnthave offered the deal. I would start negotiating with one of those for manufacturing space and move my entire operation to a gun-friendly climate. They spent weeks trying to gin up interest in the XD-E introduction with their mysterious ads, and it was all for nothing. If one of them didnt actually know about this then thats really not fair. They have no ethics. If I was a competitor, Id print up ten thousand flyers announcing Springfields decision and carpet the show with them. I have an SA Profesional that I really like and was strongly considering a Custom Carry, but this turn of events gives me a real pause to that idea. Even being on this site makes you a hypocrite because TTAG regularly advertised for Glock, S&W and Springfield. I used to love my Springfield XDM and M1a national match. If theres something worse than a fanboy, its a fanboy fudd. Is Rob Leatham going to stick with Springfield after this debacle? Along with lost new sales, this boneheaded move will kill resale values. SA created it). Well I will see if I can make a good trade for STI, Para, or a cz had a cz 85 combat one time and traded it, was a real good gun in a 9 mm.Things like this is realy bad just cant trust anyone anymore. With all the gun control in northern Illinois how the hell can they screw all of us like this! You cannot exempt large businesses from onerous regulations that you impose on small businesses. Thank you for bringing this issue to the forefront. If youre looking begin your 3-Gun or short-stage PRS competition endeavors, the Rock River Arms RRAGE 2G may be your ticket. If CTD notices panic buying, shuts down their site and reprices everything, thats their right. Apparently, John Smith isnt an advocate of the constitution or specifically the second amendment. Springfield can drop dead, Ill support gun manufacturers who support me. Never buying anything from springfield ever again and my one xdm is up for sale as of yesterdayI dont even want it in my safe. An xdm9 and a 1911 loaded. Rock River Arms has built a reputation as a quality maker of modern sporting rifles and offers an extremely diverse list of models and options. Springfield Armory is a dishonest operation from stem to stern. Its a FACT that those brands are twice the price as Ruger. Gun owners have good memories, it will take a year but Springfield like Target will notice their mistake on their Revenue numbers and blame the weather, the president, insert excuse here. Any I have to ask WHY? Wow, the article on Reese is incredible. You have entered an incorrect email address! The NRA would likely throw you and your fliers in the dumpster. Dicks/Field & Stream, Troy, Hexmag, RRA, Springfield Arms, Target, CTD, et al, are making it hard on themselves.They are alienating their demographic. Now I wish I had not. Even if its expensive, SA is in a better position to pay the fee than Hank and Ethels gun shop. is like a chicken voting for Colonel Sanders. All of these rifles are vastly superior to Ruger. If anyone from SAs Corporate Communications department happens upon this post, please get this in front of Dennis Reese and let him know that his actions are shameful, and that he has just traded his honor for a paycheck. I just bought an EMP 3-inch. Well do our part in other states to support you. If CTD notices panic buying, cancels prior sales and refunds them, so it can resell stuff that belonged to its customers, thats not their right. Web50%. I want to see how they fix the mess they created with the people who liked their product. Not a smart move in a buyers market, or any really. So I have to ask. Theyve come to the heart of flyover country because they know their anti-2A dogwont hunt back in Washington. If you apply more than 9 make-ups in a year, you are in cosmetology businesses. Illinois cant shut down a business that way No there is no way around it, RRA and Springfield decided their Illinois customers where not worth the trouble. The response was to Mark about the others being vastly superior, not your comment. No Springfield guns for me. Divide & conquer. As the market changes so does our pricing. It only sells a 100% American Made product using American Labor. If workers still want a job, its a reasonable commute. Some would disagree. As for Winchester still keeping an eye out for someone selling Grandads old 94 thats beat to hell but still shoots straight so I can beat it up a bit more. WARNING: The products offered for sale on this website can expose you to chemicals which are known to the State I dont think the current owner is going to make that same mistake although I wish they would just stop putting in that stupid lock already. My sprinters were not seeing much action lately. Theres no way to know for sure. +1, they are a bunch of liars praying on the ignorant. Their entire C Suite should resign and they need to prove themselves. I am still trying to figure out how best to get rid of my XD-40 and assist in flooding the market with used XD pistols. However, the R-51 is a bear to clean and still hasnt proven itself totally for CC, coming off its well documented ill fated Gen 1 launch and Remingtons continued reliability issues. AR-15 Parts. If youve already implemented them, great. We need the pistols to get to our rifles anyway. As I said on Thursday, when it comes to RRA I was, and still am, unsure if they had any foreknowledge of what was about to occur. That was just a small part of the problem. This attention to accuracy is especially evident in Rock Rivers new model, the Advanced Tactical Hunter V2 (ATH V2). No offense meant, I was just pointing out that Springfield Armory has no connection to the city of Springfield Illinois. 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