Think of the Survivor Benefit Plan (SBP) as an insurance policy, focused on protecting a survivor's income flow from the military retirement if the retiree dies first. When my husband found out that she would be eligible for SBP Benefits again, after her divorce from her second husband, he asked her for the divorce decree, but was just told that it is not of his business! <>>>
I dont know of anyone who has dealt with this situation. Do you know if back in 1982 this was still the case that the nonmilitary spouse had to sign to not participate or could the retiree make the election without the consent of the spouse? Hi Kate, I havent had time to read all through these posts, but my question is,- my husband died August 28, 2017 with service related death. My father remarried and was married for 35 years until his spouse passed away in July 2020. This change affects surviving spouses who are, or who will become in the future, eligible for both Survivor Benefit Plan (SBP) payments and Dependency and Indemnity Compensation (DIC) payments, and who were previously subject to a full or partial SBP-DIC offset. 2. My husband a veteran died 20 years ago. Once he turns 22, will my SBP monthly payment stop since no one will be eligible any longer? They also send a claim form for SBP for me to fill out. My husband never had opportunity to get a retirement plan and now he is almost 50. They didnt say what was going to happen, they just asked for a copy of our marriage license and his death certificate. What happens to all the money I paid in? I did not know about the offset until his death. Surviving military families may have a wide variety of immediate cash and/or income needs, depending on their full financial picture and including assets, liabilities, age, health, other income, spousal employment, children, and the sleep at night factor. Im afraid this is all way beyond my level of expertise, but Im going to throw out some questions to point us both in the right direction: 1. Ms. Horrell As a smart friend says, Life insurance is for when the insured doesnt live as long as youd hope. Kathrine, Im so sorry for your loss. Former Spouse 5. So, the answer to the question how long does it take? depends on how swiftly the SM notice of the FSs passing. The Survivor Benefit Plan allows retiring service members to allocate a portion of their retirement pay to a spouse or other eligible beneficiaries after their death. Retired in 1978 and died in 2021. Even though this post is over 2,000 words long, I still havent covered all the nuances of special situations. Speak with a qualified military divorce attorney if you have questions about military divorce. 2.5% of the first $635 ($15.88), plus 10% of the remaining covered amount. Good luck with trying to find a site that furnishes all the information. It is still in my name so I get those benefits after death? 3. My wife was recently diagnosed with stage 4 cancer menastisze cancer which began in the Breast and has not gotten to her Liver. Dumb question Im sure but first time Ive heard the term SBP. Check with the Internal Revenue Service or DFAS for more information. https://www.retirees.af.mil/Library/Fact-Sheets/Display/Article/440093/spouse-only-sbp-coverage/. I never knew that some of the benefits military veterans get only activate when they retire. I retired as a Colonel (O6) with 30 years of service. That marriage to another service member (NG or Reserve, not sure) lastet for about 7 years. However, the Department of Finance and Accounting Services (DFAS) does not change its payments until DFAS is properly notified of the FSs death. You also assume that everyone is insurable at such low rates. Written documentation regarding the death of FS; A copy of the FSs death certificate; and. Hi Roger that is great news did she have to hire an attorney to get her SBP benefits? Shouldnt I receive some kind of refund for the 360 payments he made to DFAS? My husband and I would have made another choice if we knew about the SBP/Offset ruling. I have recently went through a divorce and have suspended my SBP coverage through DFAS. In fact, the government contributes approximately 45% of all SBP payments made. Helping Military & Federal Civil Service Spouses Get Paid. Ive never paid anything into spb, but have been recieving Bills forever. The SBP can be assigned to a former spouse as part of divorce proceedings. Theres another whole book in that, but definitely read up! And if you commit suicide, spouse wont get jack S**t. I hope it works out for you. Make your plans with the rules as they currently exist, and deal with changes if they occur. His RAS states No SBP election is reflected on your Account. As you are 100% P&T, you will have more windows to withdraw from SBP than the average retiree. She went to the site and reapplied. This certainly is a unique situation. I submitted the request for the pro-rated amount of his last annuity pay. I learned this the hard way and wasted 2+ years of struggle (and tens of thousands of dollars) before I found out about the Estoppel problem. 202 CommentsFiled Under: Personal Finance, Retirement. I usually hate that advice, but I dont know what other recourse you might have in this situation. And this all happened a long time ago. I worked for one for a few years, and this same scenario happened in our office twice! I realize that SBP is taxable for Federal taxes, what I cant figure out is do I claim it on my taxes or do separate taxes for my son. As long as he reaches 70 you are good to go. Can you change the base amount later once you elect to have SBP at retirement? As discussed in a. 1. How many children do you have, and how old are they? We have been married the entire time (44years) and I know I never signed any forms giving up my right to his pension when he dies considering he was 10 years older than myself. The request for the change originally came from defense officials, said Dustin Walker, spokesman for the Senate Armed Services Committee. DFAS would not give me any information even though I mailed in the forms to claim SBP and they mailed back forms for direct deposit and mailed them back but nothing has happened since and that has been months. But maybe Im a little biased as my Father was a Colonel in the JAG Corps. Question 4. Must I live until 70 (hope I will) for her to receive payment? The government does not want to show just how much they are scamming their own Service members. She should formally apply for benefits from DFAS using the instructions at this page: https://www.dfas.mil/retiredmilitary/survivors/Retiree-death/sbp.html Let me know what happens! Have I a leg to stand on at all? Are there any Benefits for adult children since the spouse died before him? My mother insists that my sister could receive the survivor benefits upon my fathers passing. 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Are you saying that you waive all of your military pay to receive disability compensation, which is non-taxable? Secondly, there is no way out of the SBP after the 36 Month mark ? When he died we were paying $700.00 a month in premiums and only $86.00 when he retired. Hi Katheryn. 2. There is no provision for a non-dependent adult child to receive SBP benefits. An eligible dependent child must be your unmarried legal child, under the age of 18 or under 22 if enrolled in an accredited college or university. DFAS told me that it is listed all the time in the ECHOES publication and that he should have known to do that. Here at the blog, I talk about the financial issues that affect military families - pay, allowances, and benefits. We were advised that since he was medically retired that only 10 years had to be paid into SBP to receive the full benefit but that since he was deemed 100% disabled at the time of his medical retirement that he would only have to pay 5 years to receive the same benefit. She did not receive anything when my dad passed ins 2001 so not sure if that is cause he never signed up or there was something that needed to be provided to the USAF in 2001 when he passed. I havent made any payments into SBP as I havent received retirement pay from DFAS and only disability from the VA. Im not sure if should attempt to catch up or just wait it out until I can cancel it. He doesnt get more then $150.00 dollars a month for retire pay (offset) since he didnt serve for 20+ years and his VA rating pay was higher then his medical retirement. The value in SBP is the inflation adjusted, lifetime guaranteed income. If spouse A dies and doesn't use their exemption, it doesn't roll over to the surviving spouse. I am nearing my 5 year mark and received a notice from the VA that I was eligible for the SBP-DIC offset. SBP coverage means that the non-military spouse, if she survives the retiree, gets 55% of the selected base amount of the pension for the rest of her life. Ms. Horrell He did not die first, and so the policy does not make a payment. I have been paying into SBP for 25 years and 6 months. This is one of the biggest shams of SBP that no one wants to admit. My suspicion is that spousal consent came into effect after 1982, but I am not sure and Im surprisingly having a hard tie pinning down the date. It may seem like youll never make it to 360 payments, but I actually know people who are paid up. 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If the retiree was not married at the time of their former spouse's death, but later marries, the new spouse can still be listed as the SBP beneficiary. Any advice would be helpful. She is 83 and must have someone with at all times. Your husband was awarded 100% service connected disability while he was alive or posthumously? When my children reach age 22, will my monthly premiums be reduced (since they will no longer be covered)? Thank you for your reply. Second, survivors who are affected by the SBP-DIC offset are eligible for a $310 month allowance called the Special Survivors Indemnity Allowance (SSIA). I am currently at 90% from the VA and have my payments sent to DFAS from my VA offset. Please dont assume that you know the answer for every family. For many military families, full SBP coverage is the right choice. They were mailed annually or whenever there was a change in pay. Thats an awful way to live but so is actually running out of money. Or is this deducted from his social security benefit? I have no proof if he did this or not. I was told that my Father had not informed DFAS of my Mothers passing in 2006 as he was suppose to do. And if you have special needs kids who will be granted secondary dependency, you definitely want SBP. I dont guarantee that all the information in the packet is currently 100% accurate, but I believe everything in this part is correct. I had not heard from DFAS for over a year. blessings However, there are several flaws in the 4% rule, and many people think that 4% is too high for many scenarios. Hi Kate! What if you tried to cancel during the cancellation period and Military Finance sent you the wrong form and then did not honor the cancelation? If you are the beneficiary, and you die, the payments will end. I asked many questions and wrote everything down to the T. I remember being so surprised that thats how it worked because it sounded too good to be true which now I know it wasnt. I understand that I must contact DFAS within one year of our marriage. I hope that eases your mind. Im 50% from the Marine Corps. Also keep in mind that life insurance vs. SBP is not an either-or question, nor is it an all-or-nothing question. I did see that you anticipate a second career after the military. In my opinion, keeping SBP makes sense for a lot of people. I can not speak to being sent a wrong form. If that happened to me, I would pursue that with my finance department and DFAS. One downside to SBP coverage is that you do not have the choice whether to pay premiums with pre-tax or post-tax money. section 3702 regarding SBP payment of any claim not received within 6 years from the date it accrues basically a claim for Arrears of Pay. However, there is no return of premiums if you withdraw from the plan vs. return of premiums if you continue with SBP and your survivors are impacted by the offset. You are very kind and thoughtful to do all this Q & A. I am concerned about problems he might encounter after my death if taxes are to be collected since he is not a US citizen and does not have a SSN. Others: Service members who do not have a spouse or children may elect SBP coverage for people who have an insurable interest. This is limited to one individual family member or non-family member who falls within certain criteria. Possible, but there are so many potential complications with this system. My husband is 68, and has been collecting Va disability benefits since he was disabled in 2005. am going to give the synopsis of coverage here, because there are so many rules for each individual classification. Thank you for your time. You must pay premiums for SBP coverage once you retire. This topic is dear to my heart, and I love to help people understand it better. Obviously, if your survivors take a chunk to pay off the mortgage, the resulting income would be proportionately smaller. what happens to sbp if spouse dies first. If so with the change in dependent status can I still claim him on my return? Jeff, are you asking about repaying that deficit now or how that deficit will impact annuity payments made to your survivors? Im looking up some information and it might take a little time. God Bless and take care . Retiree who enter service prior to 1975 pays no tax on disability pay since I retired at 24 yr(60% ) with 60 percent medical disability I pay no tax . ? The cost for spouse-only SBP coverage is 6.5% of your base amount. If my retired spouse dies before age 70 and 360 months havent been paid in SBP, am I still eligible to receive it? All my kids are over 18. Term insurance is an excellent product for that purpose. Does your spouse work, and has she or he managed to put together a career that could support your family without your income? Kathryn, did you apply for SBP and it is being offset by DIC? We were married before he retired and he elected current spouse coverage. His former spouse filed a claim and my benefit has stopped. he will turn 70 in a few month and has paid pretty close to the 360 month requirement but he not in good health. Hi Rich! During this difficult time, we know that you will have questions about survivors benefits and how to obtain them. The payment for that SBP (policy) is roughly $130/mon. I would not waste one nickel on an DFAS SBP. Assume no DIC and go from there. Kate does not represent the Department of Defense, the Department of Veterans Affairs, or any government agency. The new provision, which took effect on Nov. 25, fixes that problem for future retirees. It has a premium, and a payout in the form of a monthly payment from DFAS. I am also 100% disabled. Thanks for the article and knowledge. The letter of law seems plain to me. Retiring Military: Should You Choose SBP? The 5 year rule for 100% disabled veterans specifically permits them to fully discontinue coverage if they so desire. 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After that one year period, you will be unable to reinstate SBP coverage. If your spouse dies first or you get divorced, SBP costs will stop (once you notify the Defense Finance and Accounting Service). I invite you to join Military Widows: SBP-DIC Offset on FB. /% J9G n`cc Y\ k_\i\ kf gifk\Zk pfli jgflj\ `] pfl i\dXiip% If you lose your spouse and your SBP premiums stop, you will be able to elect SBP to cover a new spouse if you remarry. It is very helpful. ^
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If you look on his retiree account statement, it will show SBP premiums being deducted from his military retirement pay if he enrolled in SBP. Please do not worry you are covered! Thank you for your reply, it is much appreciated. Unless he is disabled, or youre paying for him as an insurable interest, your son is no longer eligible for SBP payments. Who can I contact to try and help Dad. Many, many people outlive life insurance proceeds. I elected SBP when I retired in 1977 and am now 82 years of age. So grab a cup of coffee, tea, or whatever makes you happy, and let's get to know each other. I have copy of 20 year retirement letter 6/23/92, he retired at 60. Because of their varying needs, some families may want or need life insurance, some families may want or need an annuity, some families may want or need both. Partial Survivor Benefit Your spouse receives 25% of your unreduced FERS pension if you pass away first in retirement. Im curious what his beneficiary designations said at what points in time. It took about a year. Obviously, this year has reminded us all how much inflation risk matters. Your monthly FERS pension is reduced by 5%. Thank you so much for your help! I am so confused. Elected SBP for spouse. Third, if your death is not attributable to your military service, your survivors are not eligible for DIC until you have been 100% P&T for 5 years (if they are considering that you were 100% at the time of discharge) or 10 years if they dont consider the 100% determination to have begun at the time of discharge. I was medically retired at 16 years this past June and I elected SBP at time of retirement. Other issues related to the death of a FS, such as what can happen to a FSs Survivor Benefit Plan (SBP) can be found by clicking here. This blog is strictly for informational and entertainment purposes only. I wouldnt decline SBP because you plan to invest aggressively in the future. 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